Weapon Multiplier Research
Last Updated on Monday, 30 June 2008 20:45
Hey everyone, we need your help again!Because of the new attacking system Weapon Multipliers have been changed, or at least how they're used.
What we'd like is for you to comment here with all of your attack results, so we can re-write the information and tutorial pages for you!
Click > Read More for more information.
Please post in this format:
Using your Fists you hit Fozzi in the left thigh for 892 damage
Divide damage by your strength to give us a multiplier: 892 / 25100 = 0.03553784861
If you can give us their defence and armour, that would make the information even more valuable!
Also, if they send you their strength as well, you can collect data from the damage they deal you!
Posts without the Weapon, Area Hit, and your Strength are useless.
Thanks for helping us help you!
If you don't want to reveal your strength to other players, feel free to comment anonymously.
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UPDATE: Please mention if you are a drug user!
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Crowbar, left foot, 0.2787085
Crowbar, chest, 3.2250563
Crowbar, right leg, 0.7724209
USP, right hand, 1.1068712
USP, left leg, 1.5448418
USP, stomach, 7.5012422
USP, left foot, 0.5733433
USP, head, 12.979856
XM8, right arm, 3.4639494
XM8, chest, 3.9496986
Crowbar, chest, 3.2250563
Crowbar, right leg, 0.7724209
USP, right hand, 1.1068712
USP, left leg, 1.5448418
USP, stomach, 7.5012422
USP, left foot, 0.5733433
USP, head, 12.979856
XM8, right arm, 3.4639494
XM8, chest, 3.9496986
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Kodachi Swords
stomach, 1.8350858657518280708560711147115
BT MP9
chest, 1.675468978813857429789919776756
stomach, 1.8350858657518280708560711147115
BT MP9
chest, 1.675468978813857429789919776756
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vs. superiour
sa80 chest 0.42009917397
sa80 chest 0.50545764107
sa80 L.shoulder 0.25326592609
if that helps any i also have against a randomer...
scmitar groin 0.41456285520
duel berretas R.shoulder 0.36614072381
sa80 stomache 0.45298656013
sa80 R.thigh 0.42547022950
hope it helps any way it can
sa80 chest 0.42009917397
sa80 chest 0.50545764107
sa80 L.shoulder 0.25326592609
if that helps any i also have against a randomer...
scmitar groin 0.41456285520
duel berretas R.shoulder 0.36614072381
sa80 stomache 0.45298656013
sa80 R.thigh 0.42547022950
hope it helps any way it can
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i really doubt that estimating weapon multiplayers solely by the strenght values is going to bring any reliable results.... but if it's going to help you here are some of my values:
BT MP9, stomach, 0,393619047
BT MP9, chest, 0,6313333333
Yasukuni, groin, 0,456761904
Yasukuni, righ shoulder, 0,31847619
Yasukuni, stomach, 0,764285714
Yasukuni, chest, 0,734380952
Yasukuni, left leg, 0,218666666
Yasukuni, chest, 0,729523809
Yasukuni, chest, 0,594285714
Yasukuni, chest, 0,569714285
Jackhammer, chest, 0,689619047
Jackhammer, stomach, 0,674285714
Jackhammer, right thigh, 0,367809523
Jackhammer, chest, 0,741904761
Jackhammer, left hand, 0,124095238
Jackhammer, left arm, 0,473714285
Dual 96G Berettas, stomach, 0,801333333
Dual 96G Berettas, left arm, 0,284095238
Dual 96G Berettas, left hand, 0,068761904
Dual 96G Berettas, right hand, 0,104666666
TCB: If you know of any other values that might influence it, please comment. Previously strength has been the only factor.
BT MP9, stomach, 0,393619047
BT MP9, chest, 0,6313333333
Yasukuni, groin, 0,456761904
Yasukuni, righ shoulder, 0,31847619
Yasukuni, stomach, 0,764285714
Yasukuni, chest, 0,734380952
Yasukuni, left leg, 0,218666666
Yasukuni, chest, 0,729523809
Yasukuni, chest, 0,594285714
Yasukuni, chest, 0,569714285
Jackhammer, chest, 0,689619047
Jackhammer, stomach, 0,674285714
Jackhammer, right thigh, 0,367809523
Jackhammer, chest, 0,741904761
Jackhammer, left hand, 0,124095238
Jackhammer, left arm, 0,473714285
Dual 96G Berettas, stomach, 0,801333333
Dual 96G Berettas, left arm, 0,284095238
Dual 96G Berettas, left hand, 0,068761904
Dual 96G Berettas, right hand, 0,104666666
TCB: If you know of any other values that might influence it, please comment. Previously strength has been the only factor.
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wish i had some more informations of about the new battle system mechanics...
It seems for sure that speed is influencing the number of bullets fired in each round of fight (especially noticable in high_rate_of_fire / low_accuracy weapons) which offcourse shifts into the damage output
I also wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that dexterity has some importance when fighting with melee weapon or using fists....
In other words i'm affraid the new battle system is too complex to estimate weapon multipliers unless Ched will agree to reveal a simplified formula (for example known only to TCB) which will allow to make a new calculator for weapons...
Well it doesn't hurt to ask him anyway although we all know what the answer will be :-) hehe
It seems for sure that speed is influencing the number of bullets fired in each round of fight (especially noticable in high_rate_of_fire / low_accuracy weapons) which offcourse shifts into the damage output
I also wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that dexterity has some importance when fighting with melee weapon or using fists....
In other words i'm affraid the new battle system is too complex to estimate weapon multipliers unless Ched will agree to reveal a simplified formula (for example known only to TCB) which will allow to make a new calculator for weapons...
Well it doesn't hurt to ask him anyway although we all know what the answer will be :-) hehe
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Dual 96G Berettas in the stomach for 0,2005579827 damage
Dual Scimitars in the chest for 0,1996537708 damage
Dual Scimitars in the chest for 0,1996537708 damage
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Anti tank in the chest for 0,2137863732 damage
Dual 96G Berettas in the right foot for 0,0152831032 damage
Dual Scimitars in the stomach for 0,2025331733 damage
Dual 96G Berettas in the right foot for 0,0152831032 damage
Dual Scimitars in the stomach for 0,2025331733 damage
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well, all those pieces of info won't help much..
there are too many variables in the new battle sys.. drug use (not only addiction, but also stats made through drugs), the relation of def and so on
if you want to try against someone who has always been clean and no def... try me --> id is 507659
if you want me to try on you (if you are willing to post the result) ... message me ingame, but I will/can only attack once/day
there are too many variables in the new battle sys.. drug use (not only addiction, but also stats made through drugs), the relation of def and so on
if you want to try against someone who has always been clean and no def... try me --> id is 507659
if you want me to try on you (if you are willing to post the result) ... message me ingame, but I will/can only attack once/day
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Steyr AUG in the left thigh for 0,8221800119
Ninja Claws in the right arm for 0,6661932903
Ninja Claws in the right hand for 0,1202397646
Steyr AUG in the chest for 1,482957097
Ninja Claws in the right shoulder for 0,5004573986
Ninja Claws in the right arm for 0,6661932903
Ninja Claws in the right hand for 0,1202397646
Steyr AUG in the chest for 1,482957097
Ninja Claws in the right shoulder for 0,5004573986
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Attack Log:
http://www.torncity.com/attacklogs.php?ID=482992
UnderMonster hit with his Samurai Sword in the left leg for 1155 damage
merekurat hit with her Beretta 92FS in the left foot for 70 damage
UnderMonster missed with his Samurai Sword
merekurat hit with her Samurai Sword in the chest for 571 damage
UnderMonster missed with his Samurai Sword
merekurat missed with her Samurai Sword
UnderMonster hit with his Samurai Sword in the right arm for 2550 damage
merekurat missed with her Beretta 92FS
UnderMonster hit with his BT MP9 in the right arm for 2403 damage
merekurat missed with her Steyr AUG
UnderMonster hit with his Enfield SA-80 in the right thigh for 2357 damage
merekurat missed with her Beretta 92FS
UnderMonster hit with his BT MP9 in the stomach for 3913 damage
merekurat missed with her Steyr AUG
Battle stats:
Speed: 4,223.3330
Strength: 3,356.3801
Hope it helps.
http://www.torncity.com/attacklogs.php?ID=482992
UnderMonster hit with his Samurai Sword in the left leg for 1155 damage
merekurat hit with her Beretta 92FS in the left foot for 70 damage
UnderMonster missed with his Samurai Sword
merekurat hit with her Samurai Sword in the chest for 571 damage
UnderMonster missed with his Samurai Sword
merekurat missed with her Samurai Sword
UnderMonster hit with his Samurai Sword in the right arm for 2550 damage
merekurat missed with her Beretta 92FS
UnderMonster hit with his BT MP9 in the right arm for 2403 damage
merekurat missed with her Steyr AUG
UnderMonster hit with his Enfield SA-80 in the right thigh for 2357 damage
merekurat missed with her Beretta 92FS
UnderMonster hit with his BT MP9 in the stomach for 3913 damage
merekurat missed with her Steyr AUG
Battle stats:
Speed: 4,223.3330
Strength: 3,356.3801
Hope it helps.
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Forgot to mention..
I use to take Extasy, then about 1 week before the major update to attacking system, i stopped. (Took about 3 a day!)
Current happy is 1244/1425
Lvl 18
Hope it helps :)
I use to take Extasy, then about 1 week before the major update to attacking system, i stopped. (Took about 3 a day!)
Current happy is 1244/1425
Lvl 18
Hope it helps :)
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BT MP9 Stomach: 2.5939426860734267
BT MP9 Stomach: 2.6353585776998094
BT MP9 Left Shoulder: 1.1749034519273757
BT MP9 Stomach: 2.7051116583337164
No drugs used ever
Hope it helps! Good luck!
BT MP9 Stomach: 2.6353585776998094
BT MP9 Left Shoulder: 1.1749034519273757
BT MP9 Stomach: 2.7051116583337164
No drugs used ever
Hope it helps! Good luck!
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my strength was 10.0000
these people attacked me
*me* hit with his Fists in the left thigh for 17 damage
*me* hit with his Fists in the chest for 36 damage
*me* hit with his Fists in the right arm for 22 damage
*me* hit with his Fists in the groin for 26 damage
2nd opponent
*me* hit with his Fists in the groin for 20 damage
*me* hit with his Fists in the right arm for 15 damage
*me* hit with his Fists in the left thigh for 13 damage
*me* hit with his Fists in the left leg for 8 damage
*me* hit with his Fists in the right foot for 4 damage
*me* hit with his Fists in the chest for 28 damage
*me* hit with his Fists in the right leg for 8 damage
*me* hit with his Fists in the right foot for 2 damage
just take the damage and divide by 10 (my strength)
these people attacked me
*me* hit with his Fists in the left thigh for 17 damage
*me* hit with his Fists in the chest for 36 damage
*me* hit with his Fists in the right arm for 22 damage
*me* hit with his Fists in the groin for 26 damage
2nd opponent
*me* hit with his Fists in the groin for 20 damage
*me* hit with his Fists in the right arm for 15 damage
*me* hit with his Fists in the left thigh for 13 damage
*me* hit with his Fists in the left leg for 8 damage
*me* hit with his Fists in the right foot for 4 damage
*me* hit with his Fists in the chest for 28 damage
*me* hit with his Fists in the right leg for 8 damage
*me* hit with his Fists in the right foot for 2 damage
just take the damage and divide by 10 (my strength)
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Attack one.
Dual Scimitars in the left leg for 0,0521703721 damage
Dual Scimitars in the chest for 0,1994992315 damage
Dual Scimitars in the right arm for 0,1058843132 damage
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Attack two.
Dual Scimitars in the chest for 0,1973312721 damage
Dual Scimitars in the groin for 0,1411143872 damage
Dual Scimitars in the left leg for 0,0521703721 damage
Dual Scimitars in the chest for 0,1994992315 damage
Dual Scimitars in the right arm for 0,1058843132 damage
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Attack two.
Dual Scimitars in the chest for 0,1973312721 damage
Dual Scimitars in the groin for 0,1411143872 damage
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Dual Scimitars in the left leg for 0,0525420764 damage
Dual Scimitars in the heart for 0,3283982039 damage
Dual Scimitars in the heart for 0,3283982039 damage
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wouldn't it be best for peoplr to attack congenial, or one of the other NPCs to eliminate some of the variance in the information.
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Kodachi swords, Stomach, 4704, 2.2861242995524610366222630113107
Kodachi swords, right leg, 798, 0.2922576445242435590242330296918
Kodachi swords, stomach, 3432, 1.2569276140441151561042202479978
Kodachi swords, throat, 5978, 2.1893686703833684158482018189193
Kodachi swords, right foot, 370, 0.13550793041850891834456919923053
9mm Uzi, right arm, 1910, 0.69951391107932982172466802846033
9mm Uzi, right shoulder, 1506, 0.55155390056830927304573301092212
Kodachi swords, right leg, 798, 0.2922576445242435590242330296918
Kodachi swords, stomach, 3432, 1.2569276140441151561042202479978
Kodachi swords, throat, 5978, 2.1893686703833684158482018189193
Kodachi swords, right foot, 370, 0.13550793041850891834456919923053
9mm Uzi, right arm, 1910, 0.69951391107932982172466802846033
9mm Uzi, right shoulder, 1506, 0.55155390056830927304573301092212
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My stats:
Battle stats
Speed: 4,280.2529
Strength: 4,967.9012
Defence: 735.3678
Dexterity: 1,958.3329
Total: 11,941.8548
I attacked the mission for Lv20 person. Their stats:
Speed: 10,000
Strength: 10
Defence: 9,000
Dexterity: 9,000
Total: 28,010
Full attack log:
UNKNOWN Vs Superior
UNKNOWN missed with his Samurai Sword
Superior missed with her M249 PARA LMG
UNKNOWN missed with his Samurai Sword
Superior missed with her RPG Launcher
UNKNOWN missed with his Samurai Sword
Superior hit with her RPG Launcher in the groin for 0 damage
UNKNOWN hit with his Samurai Sword in the left thigh for 1622 damage
Superior hit with her M249 PARA LMG in the left arm for 0 damage
UNKNOWN hit with his Samurai Sword in the stomach for 2259 damage
Superior hit with her M249 PARA LMG in the chest for 0 damage
UNKNOWN missed with his Samurai Sword
Superior hit with her M249 PARA LMG in the right thigh for 0 damage
UNKNOWN missed with his Samurai Sword
Superior hit with her RPG Launcher in the right thigh for 0 damage
UNKNOWN missed with his Samurai Sword
Superior hit with her Samurai Sword in the right shoulder for 0 damage
UNKNOWN missed with his Samurai Sword
Superior hit with her Samurai Sword in the groin for 59 damage
UNKNOWN missed with his Samurai Sword
Superior hit with her Samurai Sword in the right arm for 0 damage
UNKNOWN missed with his Samurai Sword
Superior hit with her RPG Launcher in the left foot for 0 damage
UNKNOWN hit with his Samurai Sword in the stomach for 2742 damage
Superior missed with her RPG Launcher
UNKNOWN hit with his Samurai Sword in the groin for 2023 damage
Superior hit with her Samurai Sword in the stomach for 0 damage
UNKNOWN missed with his Samurai Sword
Superior hit with her RPG Launcher in the right thigh for 0 damage
UNKNOWN hit with his Samurai Sword in the left arm for 1537 damage
Superior missed with her Samurai Sword
UNKNOWN hit with his Samurai Sword in the stomach for 2213 damage
Superior hit with her Samurai Sword in the stomach for 0 damage
UNKNOWN missed with his Samurai Sword
Superior hit with her M249 PARA LMG in the left foot for 0 damage
UNKNOWN hit with his Samurai Sword in the chest for 2539 damage
Superior hit with her RPG Launcher in the stomach for 0 damage
UNKNOWN hit with his Samurai Sword in the left arm for 1589 damage
Superior missed with her M249 PARA LMG
UNKNOWN hit with his Samurai Sword in the head for 9838 damage
Superior hit with her RPG Launcher in the right foot for 0 damage
UNKNOWN hospitalized Superior
I hope it helps.
Lasted a while too :)
Battle stats
Speed: 4,280.2529
Strength: 4,967.9012
Defence: 735.3678
Dexterity: 1,958.3329
Total: 11,941.8548
I attacked the mission for Lv20 person. Their stats:
Speed: 10,000
Strength: 10
Defence: 9,000
Dexterity: 9,000
Total: 28,010
Full attack log:
UNKNOWN Vs Superior
UNKNOWN missed with his Samurai Sword
Superior missed with her M249 PARA LMG
UNKNOWN missed with his Samurai Sword
Superior missed with her RPG Launcher
UNKNOWN missed with his Samurai Sword
Superior hit with her RPG Launcher in the groin for 0 damage
UNKNOWN hit with his Samurai Sword in the left thigh for 1622 damage
Superior hit with her M249 PARA LMG in the left arm for 0 damage
UNKNOWN hit with his Samurai Sword in the stomach for 2259 damage
Superior hit with her M249 PARA LMG in the chest for 0 damage
UNKNOWN missed with his Samurai Sword
Superior hit with her M249 PARA LMG in the right thigh for 0 damage
UNKNOWN missed with his Samurai Sword
Superior hit with her RPG Launcher in the right thigh for 0 damage
UNKNOWN missed with his Samurai Sword
Superior hit with her Samurai Sword in the right shoulder for 0 damage
UNKNOWN missed with his Samurai Sword
Superior hit with her Samurai Sword in the groin for 59 damage
UNKNOWN missed with his Samurai Sword
Superior hit with her Samurai Sword in the right arm for 0 damage
UNKNOWN missed with his Samurai Sword
Superior hit with her RPG Launcher in the left foot for 0 damage
UNKNOWN hit with his Samurai Sword in the stomach for 2742 damage
Superior missed with her RPG Launcher
UNKNOWN hit with his Samurai Sword in the groin for 2023 damage
Superior hit with her Samurai Sword in the stomach for 0 damage
UNKNOWN missed with his Samurai Sword
Superior hit with her RPG Launcher in the right thigh for 0 damage
UNKNOWN hit with his Samurai Sword in the left arm for 1537 damage
Superior missed with her Samurai Sword
UNKNOWN hit with his Samurai Sword in the stomach for 2213 damage
Superior hit with her Samurai Sword in the stomach for 0 damage
UNKNOWN missed with his Samurai Sword
Superior hit with her M249 PARA LMG in the left foot for 0 damage
UNKNOWN hit with his Samurai Sword in the chest for 2539 damage
Superior hit with her RPG Launcher in the stomach for 0 damage
UNKNOWN hit with his Samurai Sword in the left arm for 1589 damage
Superior missed with her M249 PARA LMG
UNKNOWN hit with his Samurai Sword in the head for 9838 damage
Superior hit with her RPG Launcher in the right foot for 0 damage
UNKNOWN hospitalized Superior
I hope it helps.
Lasted a while too :)
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defence has something to do with it now.
defence/strength
speed/dexterity
thats what it is now. so the higher your defence the less damage will be done against you. also armour has a higher influence now aswell.
drugs have alot to do with it including addidction.
if you want a basic account that has only got 10 of all stats then i know of one and am willing to supply the name for the sake of research.
although it wont be of much use IMHO as you wont be able to find a consistent rate of fire for each weapon with the new system as there are too many variables now.
defence/strength
speed/dexterity
thats what it is now. so the higher your defence the less damage will be done against you. also armour has a higher influence now aswell.
drugs have alot to do with it including addidction.
if you want a basic account that has only got 10 of all stats then i know of one and am willing to supply the name for the sake of research.
although it wont be of much use IMHO as you wont be able to find a consistent rate of fire for each weapon with the new system as there are too many variables now.
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I think the basics of the attack system is like this.
(weapon multiplier * strenght)/(Opponents Defence multiplier * Opponents Defence)
The rate of fire of a weapon simply gives you an idea of the amount of ammo it will use. The amount of rounds fired doesn't matter for the amount of damage you do.
The accuracy is about wheter you'll hit or not. Wich I guess looks something like this. (Accuracy * Dexterity)/ Opponents Speed.
Besides this there are other factors like where do you hit, drug use, critical hit etc.
So the easiest way to figure out the weapon mulitpliers is like this
-Take 2 fresh accounts. By doing this you'll elinate any variables such as drug use.
-Supply account 1 with the weapon you research.
-Let account 1 attack account 2 (right now account 2 has no weapons or armor)
-Attack multiple times untill you get sufficient data i.e. 100 hits. Eliminate all critical hits from the data
-Now you add up all the damage done by the hits. You then divide this number by the amount of hits you have added up. Now you have the avarage amount of damage done.
-This amount can be divided by the amount of strenght of the account. Now you have the Weapon Multiplier.
TCB: Yes, that's what we did to find out the old weapon multipliers.
With the new system there is the addition of 'where' you hit your opponent.
(weapon multiplier * strenght)/(Opponents Defence multiplier * Opponents Defence)
The rate of fire of a weapon simply gives you an idea of the amount of ammo it will use. The amount of rounds fired doesn't matter for the amount of damage you do.
The accuracy is about wheter you'll hit or not. Wich I guess looks something like this. (Accuracy * Dexterity)/ Opponents Speed.
Besides this there are other factors like where do you hit, drug use, critical hit etc.
So the easiest way to figure out the weapon mulitpliers is like this
-Take 2 fresh accounts. By doing this you'll elinate any variables such as drug use.
-Supply account 1 with the weapon you research.
-Let account 1 attack account 2 (right now account 2 has no weapons or armor)
-Attack multiple times untill you get sufficient data i.e. 100 hits. Eliminate all critical hits from the data
-Now you add up all the damage done by the hits. You then divide this number by the amount of hits you have added up. Now you have the avarage amount of damage done.
-This amount can be divided by the amount of strenght of the account. Now you have the Weapon Multiplier.
TCB: Yes, that's what we did to find out the old weapon multipliers.
With the new system there is the addition of 'where' you hit your opponent.
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Thigh, 0.03553784861
Defender (1,000 Defence, no Armour):
Fists
Head, 0.18271368604
etc